Feline cancer

  
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Misha Angel

Misha Mouse- snuggle muffin
 
 
Purred: Fri Feb 25, '11 12:51pm PST 
I wonder with sadness why so many kitties get cancer. I bet we all ate different foods. We had a smoke free home where I lived. It could be age to some extent but I was only 13.Some kitties are even younger when they get it. Me and mum are saying a prayer for all sick kitties.We are sending prayers for your pawrents too Taffy. I am so sorry you got cancer. I am glad you no longer suffer.

Apollo (In- Memory)

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Purred: Mon Mar 28, '11 7:41am PST 
Misha, I guess it's just that part of life that some get cancer and some don't or develop other diseases. Last week when I had my ultrasound, the vet saw cancer in my liver, pancreas and leisons in my intestines. frown When she ultrasounded my kidneys she told Mom that for a 17-year old cat, my kidneys are still just about perfect! shock Now how ironic can it be that my dear littermate sister, Athena suffered and passed to the Bridge because of CRF?
shrug

But, my question is about pain meds. What meds are available to cats for pain relief? I cry when I have to poop, so I'm not sure if it's cancer-related or IBD.

Miss Mittens- (Angel DG- #14)

I'm a soft,- gentle summer- breeze
 
 
Purred: Mon Mar 28, '11 4:11pm PST 
We remember when Misha started this thread. Re-reading the messages and seeing how many friends are now at the Bridge makes us feel very sad. cry Unlike most of my friends, it wasn't my cancer that sent me to the Bridge . . . my kidneys failed and I couldn't handle it.

Apollo, I'm so sorry you have cancer. How are you feeling?

Are your poops regular? Maybe you're constipated and need some help getting your bowels to move?

Have you talked to your vet about the different kinds of pain meds available? Are you taking anything for pain now?

I never took pain meds. My vet told mommy there are opiates she would give me if I was ever in pain because of my cancer. I believe an opiate drug is often prescribed for terminally ill cancer patients. However, my cancer was in remission and I never seemed to be in much pain and the meds didn't seem necessary, so I have no experience with opiates. When I had surgery to remove a tumor from my thyroid, I took buprenex for a few days but I'm not sure that's used for long-term pain relief.

My vet said she often prescribed corticosteriods for pain relief but wouldn't be able to prescribe that kind of pain med for me because I was taking prednisone every day as part of my chemo protocol. Maybe something like that would help you?

Purring hard for you Apollo! hug


little angel


Apollo (In- Memory)

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Purred: Mon Mar 28, '11 7:45pm PST 
I have hardly eaten anything for 3 weeks now. Mom has been force-feeding me. So there's really not much for me to poop out, but when I do, I cry and push so hard it sometimes makes me throw up. So Mom isn't sure if that is because of the leisons in my intestines or if I have IBS. The only meds I'm on now is Pepcid twice a day and a transdermal antibiotic. Our vet prescribes Tramadol for pain but it tastes so bad, even when Mom mixes it with food and force feeds it to me, I spit it out or throw it up. I did take prednisone a while back but it didn't seem to help me.

Edited by author Mon Mar 28, '11 7:47pm PST


Scooter ~- Our Angel

It's all about- 'The Scootster'
 
 
Purred: Tue Mar 29, '11 11:04am PST 
Apollo, being constipated can make you throw up - that sounds like what may be happening to you. An explanation:

"The membrane lining of the gut holds receptors, especially abundant in the colon, which respond to stretching and can transmit signals to the brain's vomiting center. The enteric nervous system can run the show on its own but it is still tuned in to the rest of the body. By this stretch receptor mechanism, straining to poop can result in vomiting or an overly large stool could cause excessive stretch receptor response."


That's from:
http://felineconstipation.org/whatgoeswrong.html

http://felineconstipation.org/introduction.html


One of the side effects of Tramadol is also listed as constipation, though it's supposed to be rare: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_tramadol.html
Tramadol is also metabolized principally by the liver, so perhaps some other pain med that is not removed through the liver would be better for you. (More links about pain meds are below.)


There are things you can take for constipation, from Miralax [human, non-Rx] and Lactulose [human, Rx] to more natural methods [Slippery Elm Bark, canned pumpkin].

Here's more info about constipation from Tanya's Feline CRF site, which tells about the remedies above as well as some others:
Constipation
Scroll down to "Treatments for Constipation" and "Preventive Therapies".

Have your mom check with your vet, too.



I don't know much about pain medications, but I found this information about pain management (it includes dogs, so you have to pick thru for the info about cats). It indicates that Buprenex (Buprenorphine) can be used long term for cats (it would be expensive, I think).

For the info about Buprenorphine (or Buprenex), in this link scroll down to OPIOIDS, and then on down to "partial mu agonists" :
http://www.vasg.org/chronic_pain_management.htm

Here's more info from the same site: http://www.vasg.org/newer_options_for_chronic_pain_management_2.htm

and here's a summary (using info from that site) about Tramadol and some other pain relievers used for cats:

> Tramadol - generic, inexpensive;
Side effects rare - GI upset, constipation, sedation; bitter taste for cats;
Dual action; not technically opioid but some effect on opioid receptors; mild anti-anxiety effect;
Dose starts at 1 to 2 mg/kg BID to TID; up to 2-4 mg/kg (generally ΒΌ of a 50 mg tablet) BID;
Metabolized principally by liver, small amount excreted unchanged by kidneys;
Cautions - dose reduction for impaired hepatic or renal function.

> Amantadine - generic, inexpensive; adjunct use;
Side effects rare - agitation, diarrhea; long-term daily use considered safe; often effective 2 weeks on, 1-2 weeks off;
"Is the best-suited oral NMDA antagonist available for .. cat pain mgmt today";
Dosed at 3 to 5 mg/kg every 24 hours PO;
Elimination almost exclusively via kidneys; excreted, unchanged, in the urine;
Cautions - dose reduction for impaired renal function.

> Gabapentin - moderately expensive; use alone or adjunct;
Possible side effects - weight gain, transient sedation;
Particularly effective in neuropathic pain and cancer related pain;
Dosed at 2 to 5 mg/kg BID PO;
Metabolized by liver; primarily excreted unchanged by kidneys;
Cautions - dose reduction for impaired renal function (no cautions for liver).

> Amitriptyline - inexpensive; use alone or adjunct;
Possible side effects - sedation;
Antidepressant, used for pain; has some effect on opioid receptors;
Dosed at 2.5 to 12.5 mg total dose SID per cat;
Metabolized by liver;
Cautions - dose reduction for impaired hepatic function; monitor cardiac status.



I'll see if I can round up a couple of knowledgeable Angels to give you more/better info, Apollo, either here or by pmail.

Edited by author Tue Mar 29, '11 11:36am PST


Hazel Lucy

tiny gumdrop
 
 
Purred: Tue Mar 29, '11 1:06pm PST 
Had it not been for ProZyme Enzyme Supplements, I would not have survived the last couple of years.
When I could not do my business, it helped a lot.

And the distilled (clear) Aloe Vera mixed with water helped a lot when the vomiting was bad. (2-3 tablespoons to a cup of water)

I agree, I would barf either before or after trying to poop.

Hope you are much better soon, Apollo.

love,
Hazel Lucy

Freckles- (1993-2011)

My beautiful old- lady!
 
 
Purred: Tue Mar 29, '11 7:03pm PST 
Scooter gave really good advice and I agree with the others that you may be condtipated. I didn't need it long term but I used buprenorphine (Buprenex) after both of my surgeries and it was very good. It is a tastless liquid so mum just had to use a syringe to squirt a small premeasured amount into the side of my mouth. It seemed to work very well and I didn't suffer from any side effects or wooziness. I hope it can help you feel more comfortable, purrs Freckles

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