The Ghatti's Tale, Book Two: Mindspeakers' Call [BEWARE SPOILERS!!]

  
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Sasha

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Book Two discussions, please! Some of us are reading too fast and want to talk about it!!

Be careful, this thread will most likely contain spoilers if you haven't read Book One, or Book Two.

See you cats around, maybe at the Reading Room???

*purrs*

Aldo: by Laurel

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Sasha,

Wow! You're on the third book already?! We admit, we finished the first book Friday morning and dove right into the second one. No way we could wait weeks for the discussion before beginning it. If anything, the second book reads even faster than the first and is even harder to put down! We're almost to the middle of it. And there are some subtle differences in the writing--primarily, that Greeno shifts authorial voice, not always speaking from Doyce's point of view, but skittering around. We definitely enjoy that, especially as we're allowed access to individual Seeker/ghatti relationships and communications.

We like N'oor, but one thing has us puzzled a little. Maybe you can help. Now, the ghatti choose their bondmates and 'print, but we thought they were careful and did not 'print on someone unstable. Like how Parm defended the choice of 'printing on Georges Barbet. Yet, two things nag at us. In the first book, remember the scene of the little ghatten at the barbarous murders? She had accelerated to where she was ready to 'print and the Seekers did everything to prevent her doing so right away. As well, Doyce originally reached out to touch the male ghatten in the barn, but the mother ghatta deliberately moved her hand to Khar'pern. So this seems to clash to us a little; the idea that the ghatti 'print deliberately. As well, the ghatti do not mindread their Bondmates until *after* the 'printing, right? We realize the ghatti have heightened sensory perceptions about people, yet, as N'oor has discovered, she can be fooled. Especially since they're just baby ghatten at the time! Oh, but we like N'oor all the same. It certainly looks as though she will be tested against two of the strongest ghatti urges: to be one with her Bondmate, no matter what, or be one with the ghatti, her brethren. We're hoping she takes a good lesson from Parm and his courage.

In the Forums, we had expressed wonderment about the Gleaners all being evil. Since you're on the third book, we assume then you've been introduced to the Resonants. We haven't been yet, but we read the back cover of the third book after our post and discovered the name and that the Gleaners are a rogue faction. We've learned about Mahafny's experiments at the Research Hospice and seen now that, no, all Gleaners are not evil. We also like the little curve ball of Darl Allgood (the former High Conciliator of that grapeskin town) being a Gleaner. Doyce considers him a good man, a good friend.

Oh, a little question for you: What do you make of the significance of the number 8 in these books? Eight is a truly strange number for symbolism. One most frequently encounters 7 or 9. But 8??? First time for us.

We would love to discuss the book with you and Zoe, Sasha. Tell us your thoughts on some of the things we've brought up here, if you'd like, and whatever else strikes your fancy. Vesey was pretty easy, you know, and we were a little chagrined when Aragorn told us we were correct in our suspicions. And Aelbert has been easy to suspect, too, just from how Greeno presented him early on. We've only learned about him begging as a child, his propensity for stealing knickknacks, and his alliance with Maurice. And his killing Chak, of course. That was a true shame. Seems to us, though, Aelbert is going to die. He's just too weak in character to triumph. And we forget now which ghatt or ghatta warned about the cat and mouse game, implying Aelbert was the mouse.

In the second book, there now exists a nicely unified coalition: Seekers/ghatti, eumedicos, Erakwa. In the first book, these three groups distrusted and mistrusted each other. Individually, each group has great strengths but, together, they need to learn to draw from each other to gain the most benefits as a whole. And, despite Aelbert, the Monitor also is coordinated, so you have a political/diplomatic corps. We are learning more of the tradespeople, the surveyors, etc., the true backbone of any society. We're so curious now about Marchmont's history with the ghatti!

We just want to ramble on and on about the books, Sasha! Sorry. Mommy thinks she's going to be ordering the two books in Ghatten's Gambit, the follow-up to this series. We sure hope you'll pawmail us back. We'd *love* to have a good discussion about the books!!!!

Purrs and Meiows,

Aldo

Purrs and Chirps,

Tess

Sasha

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Purred: Tue Nov 28, '06 9:19am PST 
Sun Nov 19

Aldo, Tess...

I know! The second book got started quickly, and I couldn’t stop reading! I also enjoy the different voices, not only Doyce’s point of view - it’s quite refreshing.

As for your questions about the ghatti ‘printing, I think that the ghatti have, like you said, heightened sensory perceptions about people, even without reading them. As for Georges Barbet and Parm, Parm described their situation quite well, and it seemed to me that Barbet’s fall from grace was Vesey’s doing. The little ghatten that they shielded from everyone and prevented from ‘printing had just endured a horrible ordeal. The ghatten was so young it wasn’t even ready to leave it’s nursing mother. It was my impression that it was the traumatic event itself that propelled the ghatten’s development forward, sort of like a defense mechanism. So, I think that this incident was an exception to most ghatten development, and as such, the ghatti wanted to make sure the ghatten was properly cared for and in a stable environment before it ‘printed.

Khar’s mother batting Doyce’s hand towards the little ghatta, I’m not sure about. When Doyce and Sischa regard one another for the first time, “Doyce considered the question [what sort of person stood before the ghatta] and felt herself wanting to please the wide green eyes rather than be found a disappointment in some obscure way.” The mother, by that point, would have had a pretty good idea of her ghatten’s personalities and traits, and perhaps she sensed something in Doyce that meshed well with something in Khar... After all, the observations of the two ghatten playing revealed certain personalities… “The male ghatten might be bigger, stronger, but in a contest of wills, the little female had no intention of yielding.” The strong-willed survivor-type would be a perfect match for Doyce… I think we just have to go along with it – the ghatti just know.

Then there's N'oor. Keep in mind Aelbert’s history, and when she 'printed on him… He experienced a terrible childhood, you’ll find out how exactly that came about towards the end of the book. You must know by now that Aelbert is a Resonant, and has the ability to block certain things from N'oor. I don’t think it started out that way, but it evolved into that. Don’t know if you reached this part, but I don’t think it will spoil anything… they didn’t finish their training together... I won’t go too far into this one, because although I understand your suspicions and shared the same impressions as you while reading, I don’t want to ruin anything for you… And remember the bondmates don’t HAVE to share everything with one another.

Yes, we’ve been introduced to the Resonants. The Resonants are like any “different” aspect of life. People fear what they do not understand. Period. Particularly if it can be seen as power. And, in the first book, all you are introduced to are evil Gleaners, that’s what these people have experienced, only bad, no good. The situation is summarized very succinctly in the third book… I like Darl Allgood’s character, and as a Resonant.

The number 8 is seven plus one, and can symbolize the beginning of a new era, or regeneration and resurrection. I’m not that familiar with the bible, but I do know “8” is a theme… I’m sure if you did a search for the number 8 symbolism, you would find websites citing references. Where in the books are you seeing 8? I’m embarrased to say that I totally didn’t pick that up...

I think that certain things about the books are quite predictable, Vesey and Aelbert particularly. I mean, really, they never found Vesey’s body? Ding ding ding! And then, Mahafny’s daughter’s unknown… Like I said, Aelbert’s story won’t be apparent until the very end of the book… I liked the outcome though. Not that it’s a bad thing.

I have to admit, I had many of the same exact suspicions and thoughts that you are… Heck, at the rate you’re going, you’ll be done with the third book before me!! I’m not too far into it, but I really like one theme in particular – if you’ve read the back you know there’s something about the very first ‘printing… I love that theme! Actually, I find myself liking many of the historical accounts.

Well, it's been a pleasure... I think I’ve addressed most of the things you brought up… Need to get going.

Purrs,
Sasha

Mews,
Zoe


Aldo: by Laurel

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Dear Sasha,

Well, Tess and I have been hunkering down today and, boy oh boy, have we been rewarded!!!! The book has gotten very exciting now--we're in Part VII and so have met Eadwin and Hru'rul. We're at the point where Nakum is leading the uncaptured ones into the mountains, Nakum torn between the force pulling him higher and higher, and his duty to his friends.

To respond to your last pawmail:

Thank you for the direct quote re Sischa moving Doyce's hand over to Khar. You're right; the mother ghatta would realize the better bond for her child.

Definitely, the humans in the Bondmate pairings do not always completely open their minds to their ghatti. Aelbert for sure is not the first to do this with N'oor. Though not emphasized as much in the second book as in the first, Khar struggles with this same problem with Doyce. Perhaps that's one reason Khar dislikes N'oor so much? Or is impatient with her? N'oor still is very much like a baby ghatten, I think, and I absolutely blame Aelbert for this. N'oor asked Khar for the script because she was going into heat. First of all, Aelbert should recognize this himself! Granted, Doyce missed it in the first book, but took immediate and proper care and concern for Khar when she realized what was going on. And, second, N'oor no longer can trust her Bondmate! This is a most alarming prospect, as trust is so essential to the pairings. I believe trust to be one of the major themes of the books (more on this later).

The book has shifted now from Aelbert/N'oor over to Eadwin/Hru'rul. We do *not* like Aelbert at all; we don't care if he's really okay and just misled. Or maybe Maurice is the one who has toyed with and warped his mind, after Evelien did whatever to him at the Research Hospice. This possibility just occurred to us. Much less emphasis on N'oor now that Hru'rul has come into the picture. We're thinking Hru'rul might be a descendant of an original line of ghatti on Marchmont. Remember that there is a ghatt carved into the side of that major building of theirs.

Let me diverge into the different sorts of bonds we've noticed so far. As you said, absolute trust and sharing is not required among Bondmates. We feel Koom/Swan and absolutely Rolf/Chak represent the two most twined, intimate bonds. Rolf killed himself upon discovering Chak was dead. And although Koom and Swan did not 'print, they seem to exhibit a most harmonious oneness. Khar/Doyce, to us, reflect an "average" pairing; not they're average, by any means, just in the sense of the level of intimacies they share. Doyce still holds back from Khar, just as we believe Jenret does from Rawn. Now Bard/Byrta/M'wa/P'wa are a little different in that they are two sets of twins and so already are operating on that plane. Saam and Nakum--in a sense, Saam is mentoring Nakum in human ways and behaviors. We're a bit distressed at the hints that Saam and Mahafny may yet join together; our only hope is that Nakum does not die, but decides on his own to perhaps stay with the Erakwan at the mountain. This last is pure conjecture, but the arborfer nursery has pulled Nakum from the very beginning, just from the invitation to visit it! And now that they are climbing the mountain, the pull on Nakum is so strong as to make him almost neglect his friends and his duty! Unheard of, we think, for an Erakwan!

The number 8. Eight is everywhere in here! The Lady's Medallion is eight-pointed; there are eight moons; time is measured in octs, octants, octads.

We're a little amused at Greeno's wordplay throughout the books. Gato is the Spanish word for cat, for instance. Mem'now's name has always reminded us of Mnemosyne (pronounced neh-moss-eh-nee), the goddess of memory and mother of the Nine Muses. Hru'rul for some reason makes us think of a ruler. Little stuff like that. We can't figure Falanese out, though.

You mentioned regeneration, rebirth. Those, too, along with trust, seem to be major themes in the books. How many characters here have undergone terrible crises in their lives, had to start anew? Doyce has gone through three careers--eumedico, mother, Seeker--and continues to wander in her soul. Jenret almost died at the hands of his father, who suspected him of being a Gleaner. Even Constant Minor was literally reborn, maybe even literally regenerated! MOL Oh, and loyalty is a big theme, too, we think. Aelbert and his divided loyalties, though we suspect he mostly is loyal to himself only, not even to N'oor. But more and more we're beginning to wonder if Maurice is not pulling his strings beyond his notice. N'oor might still be too immature to realize the full extent Aelbert is being manipulated. Still doesn't make us like Aelbert any the more, though!

Lots of plot threads dangling at this point now. Which means we bid you a fond adieu and hightail it back to our reading!!! laugh out loud) Oh, and Mommy ordered the two books in Ghatten's Gambit!!!

Purrs and Meiows,

Aldo

Purrs and Chirps,

Tess

Aldo: by Laurel

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Dear Sasha,

Started in on the book again. Eadwin and Doyce are talking about Hru'rul and the 'printing experience. We did notice that N'oor did not bite Aelbert on the thumb, but on the toe. Had wondered about that at the time, what difference it might ultimately make in their bonding.

Aldo

Sasha

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Tues Nov 28

OK, Aldo, Tess!

Aelbert and N'oor: It's interesting to note that our first introduction to these two involves some discomfort. Aelbert actually forgets she's there in the carriage (well, he says he didn't forget, but he's also embarrassed...) Remember that they only went through one year of Seeker training, rather than the normal two years. I think this has alot to do with their relationship issues. Aelbert is immature and very guarded, perhaps as a result of his childhood; we see him stuttering and unsure of himself at times, distracted. N'oor is also immature in a way, but her uneasiness and uncertainty in things stems directly from Aelbert. She knows truth, but something is not quite right in her bond to Aelbert. And, yes, I think it's his fault, if we have to point a paw at someone. They didn't achieve the level of wisdom that is obvious in other seeker pairs, who knows on what spiral they are. It is, as you said, Aldo, about trust. What to do? Betray her bond and ask the ghatti for advice? Probably not. At one point she's talking with, I think it's Rawn, about a struggle in which she was injured. She wonders why Aelbert didn't stop her... And Rawn asks her if she would do it again to save his life. She replies yes. N'oor is clearly devoted, but without full trust in Aelbert. Sad, if you ask me. Dumb Aelbert, I don't like him, regardless of whether he's been under someone's mind control or not. Although, I'm not sure he was. Did we figure that out? Do you recall?

Eadwin/Hru'rul!! I love Hru'rul! It was fantastic getting to know him, just like a feral cat. That's an interesting idea, that Hru'rul may be a descendant of Marchmont ghatti. There aren't actually any Seeker/Bond Pairs in Marchmont, I don't think, but there are obviously some in the wild. I wonder... was there a prophecy about Ghatti, beyond the Queen's dying words? I think that the castle's two watchtowers and dome strongly resembled a ghatt, was there another passage describing a carving?

Rolf/Chak, I agree, are one of the most intimate bonds we've seen; Rolf taking the last step over the edge was incredibly moving. I find myself wanting them all to be as close. We don't really have the opportunity to delve into other Bond pairs that often, so it may be that way with more... It also takes time to understand each pair as individuals and as bonds. I'm enjoying Khar's journey on the spirals as her relationship with Doyce grows stronger - I think they may be stronger together as we read. Same goes for Jenret and Rawn, but I feel like they're already quite close, they look out for one another.

Saam is an exception... His bond to Oriel was strong enough that he would have given up after he died, but he made a promise to watch over Doyce and little Khar'pern. So now he has been helping Nakum...

You're right - the number 8 is everywhere in here! As soon as you mentioned it, I noticed and realized it is definitely a theme, obvious, really. I think 8 also can symbolize infinity, if turned on it's side... It fits as a theme of rebirth, regeneration...

I enjoy the language and vocabulary selections in the books very much. I recognized the "gato" likeness. The goddess you listed, Mnemosyne, that's so cool, goddess of memory and mother of the muses! I found myself curious about "falanese" and came up with fala-, which is "a text or refrain in old songs", by definition. And -nese is attached as a suffix, Chinese, Japanese. Interesting, anyway.

Purrs,
Sasha

Aldo: by Laurel

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Whoa, Sasha!!! That was sure a humongous reply there! We had to sit and make notes for our response! laugh out loud)) I'm also going to include here some of what we spoke about in our IM.

What you discovered regarding fala- is very fascinating! Telling tales is a tremendous part of the ghatti way and, as we have found out, of the Erakwan way as well. Tale-telling is as old as time itself, a way to pass down one's heritage and legends from generation to generation, and tales have many faces. Homer is but one example—and he is relatively recent and from the Western oral tradition. There are Eastern oral traditions, African, American Indian, Arabic, Norse, on and on. What I found most interesting is that Nakum's tale about Hatachawa is in actuality a creation myth, an explanation for how the universe came to be as it is. Many ghatti tales are parables, simple lessons to be learned, wisdom set forth in an easily comprehended manner.

Yes, 8 on its side does indeed represent infinity. The ghatti may ascend eight spirals total. But, quite interesting, in the first book, when Doyce was at the market and the Erakwan suddenly shunned her upon seeing Khar, there was this:

Earth eater, earth taster, the strength and endurance of the earth in their very stride---a Ninth Mystery of a Ninth Trust. Beyond the Lady's ken, but not beyond Her love, she [Doyce] hoped.

Nine has never been mentioned or even alluded to again. As for rebirth and regeneration, Greeno really stresses these themes, culminating perhaps when the group prepares to leave Callis’ mountaintop.

Raising her head, blinking in the sunlight, she wanted to howl her fears, her dismay at being forced to reenter this world. Callis pulled her a little further, and then let her go. “So, you do not like being reborn? No one meets the first birth or any other with gladness.” She made a tsking sound, motioned for Doyce to rise. “You can fight to remain or go out into the world, out of your shell.”

You're correct. Marchmont's castle's watchtowers and dome resembled a ghatt. I was mistaken regarding there being a carving. Now, Constant Minor said something very intriguing to Fabienne when Maurice had usurped the throne:

It may be time for us to enjoy closer relations with our southern neighbors. Indeed, there's another kind of potential in some of those Canderisians, especially those Seekers. I still pray that Wilhelmina and I were right in believing what Rossmeer told us about the ghatti---that it wasn't a pipe dream. Who would ever have thought it after all those years? I may have brought the best and brightest with me to Marchmont, but their strain is strong---and wild. [emphasis mine]

What could he mean by this last line? Hru'rul seems to fit the description of a ghatt a little bit different from those in Canderis. Marchmont never saw the need for ghatti because of the Resonants and their abilities. Are the ghatti actually distrusted, the Marchmontians not quite comfortable that an animal not only can read their minds but tell only the truth as well? From what I recall, the ghatti just faded back into the wilderness, never bonding or ‘printing with humans. Certainly, though, I imagine they continued to breed and have offspring. They never died out; they are native to the planet.

We will try to write more a little later. We’re in the grips of the third book now, though, so please forgive! MOL We’ve enjoyed exploring Mindspeakers’ Call with you, Sasha!

Purrs and Meiows,

Aldo

Purrs and Chirps,

Tess

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Aldo: by Laurel

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Dear Sasha,

Was pondering that last line of Constant Minor's again. It's a little confusing to me, but I now think he's referring to two different things here: that he brought "the best and the brightest" Resonants with him to Marchmont but the ghatti "strain" runs "strong and wild." Does that make more sense? I kept thinking he meant he brought ghatti with him to Marchmont, but the more I read, the more I realize this can't be. Where would this secret stash of ghatti be? If Constant Minor had brought "the best and the brightest" ghatti with him to Marchmont, then ghatti would be revered.

We figured out a very funny thing, although it probably has more to do with Exiles' Return than either of the first two books. Remember Callis' translation of her full name Doncallis---or, at least, the English-language saying for it? Well, Sash, play around with Addawanna! It *finally* occurred to us, although we had been thinking about it since the first book. Addawanna---I Don't Wanna!!!!! MOL We've tried and tried to figure out many of the names, btw, through all the books, and there's one particular scene in Exiles' Return that makes us believe we were on target in believing there was hidden wordplay.

Going back to my notes for a couple of things I didn't mention in my previous pawmail/post. As we discussed in our IM, I do believe Saam was with Nakum for a few reasons, one of them being, most evidently and primarily, plot purposes. Greeno needs Saam. Saam mentored Nakum in human practices and ways, helped Nakum grow and mature. Nakum, on the other hand, helped Saam further develop his tracking abilities, the senses that were heightened when he lost his mindspeech. In essence, Saam has bonded with the earth. Not a traditional Seeker bond so much as an Erakwan bond. Saam now has strengths the other ghatti simply do not, or that the other ghatti have never fully developed, concentrating more on the mindspeech than anything else.

Aelbert and N'oor. No, Aelbert was never controlled by Maurice that we know of, though he was a Resonant. He was fueled by his own desires, his own sense of injustice done to him. The guy just absolutely *wallowed*, and his wallowing overwhelmed him, to the point where, really, he no longer thought straight or beyond himself. Ugh. Aelbert annoyed us. He became so distorted. And we felt so sorry for N'oor. Perhaps the *only* time Aelbert ever thought of anyone else first was at the very end, when he begged for N'oor to be killed as well. N'oor was in such an unequal bonding with Aelbert. While you made the point that neither Bond nor Bondmate must share everything with each other, we do think Aelbert went beyond the pale in hiding himself from N'oor. He never let N'oor counsel him such as Khar counsels Doyce or Rawn counsels Jenret. Would he even have listened if she tried? Was N'oor simply one of Aelbert's trinkets, kept in his pocket, so to speak, brought out, polished and admired on occasions when it suited him? And the business of their ending training after just one year, rather than the usual two, made us wonder whether Aelbert did not somehow fabricate that letter, to further his own ambitions. For some reason, we never could believe they had excelled that much in their training. Not to mention, wasn't Swan very hazy in her recollection of it, too? As though Aelbert had done a little mind manipulation there. We shall miss N'oor, is all we can say.

Now, we did want to mention that we found Hru'rul's and Eadwin's 'printing so very disappointing. After reading the tremendous scenes of Khar'pern 'printing with Doyce, and Parm 'printing with Harrap, didn't you find Hru'rul and Eadwin a tremendous letdown? It was so matter-of-fact. No suspense, no mystery, not even a real buildup---unless you count Eadwin squeezing his eyes shut from his fear of "nipping." Okay, maybe "will he or won't he" might constitute suspense and mystery. wink MOL

Everyone's running from something in these books, looking for ways to redeem themselves, start anew, cleanse their souls. One page before Doyce is "reborn" on Callis' mountaintop, Sarrett and Jenret have this exchange in the Sidonie dungeon:

[Jenret to Sarrett] "Go back to sleep. Dreams can't be any worse than the nightmare we're in."

Her asperity stung like a slap. "You don't have a monopoly on nightmares, Jenret. All of us have something haunting us."


And one thing further, from the Callis/Doyce exchange on Doyce's fear of going back into the world.

[Doyce to Callis] "...It's just that I'm so tired, so afraid of the unknown."

[Callis] "Ah, but the 'known' isn't always pleasant, either. At least with the 'unknown,' you have the potential for betterment. So do not fear."


And, most significantly, Khar waits for Doyce on the other side of the door. When Doyce goes through, reentering the world, she and Khar ascend to a new, deeper level in their relationship, a rebirth here as well. It seems most appropriate, then, that there in the womb, the safe harbor and cocoon of Callis' mountaintop, Nakum (though Callis herself originally was going to tell the tale) spins the story of Hatachawa, a creation myth, as we mentioned previously.

We've tried to cover the rest of our notes here, Sash! We enjoyed this book very much, found it near impossible to put down. Shhh---we enjoyed Mindspeakers' Call even more than Finders Seekers!!!!

Purrs and Meiows,

Aldo

Purrs and Chirps,

Tess

Squeakers- (Gone Too- Soon)

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Just got it today! Don't worry, didn't read the spoilers!

Sasha

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Dearest Aldo & Tess,

I went back to examine the Erakwan in the marketplace scene from the first book... Seems to me that "earth eater, earth taster..." refers to the Erakwan as a people. "Beyond the Lady's ken, but not beyond Her love." That sounds somewhat like a religious person saying, "although others are not of our religious faith, hopefully they will be protected by our "God's" love/care?" So that leaves "A Ninth Mystery of a Ninth Trust." The capital letters make me think that it's some sort of religious reference as well. I was curious about symbolism of "9" and came up with this from a website... I thought this was very interesting, seems to go along with the "ancient" civilization of the Erakwan people? "The Ennead, or nine pointed star, is an ancient and sacred symbol." Read below and see also web site.

I like the wordplay too. I don' wanna!!

Multiplying by nine reveals a mirror symmetry among numbers. If any number is multiplied by nine the resulting digits always add to nine. For example 2 x 9 = 18; 3 x 9 = 27, 4 x 9 = 36 and so on. Thus, the Hebrews referred to nine as the symbol of immutable Truth.
The Ennead, or nine pointed star, is an ancient and sacred symbol. It comprises three trinities. The Egyptian, Celtic, Greek and Christian myths all have an ennead of nine gods and goddesses, representing the entire archetypal range of principles.

And then there's this website: I think the reference to Aztec/Mayan/Native American myths sort of fit...
http://www.halexandria.org/dward091.htm

On what page is the passage? - the one that ends with "I may have brought the best and brightest with me to Marchmont, but their strain is strong---and wild."
I don't think Greeno was clear (maybe delibrately?) about to which party "their" refers. It could be about the Canderisians that Constant is speaking, or it could be people he brought with him to Marchmont... I think the structure of that passage, by itself, can produce either result. Nevertheless, one of these groups is "wild".

Added: [Actually, it just occured to me... He says that "there's another kind of potential in some of those Canderisians, especially those Seekers." What if he's referring to an entirely different quality? Not being a resonant, not part of a seeker pair, but something new. And what if this other type of human quality had never been realized or trained or sculpted, therefore making it a "wild" strain... ?? What do you think? Doyce is learning to - oh, I shouldn't mention that in this thread, huh? Er... Maybe I'll bring it up in the Book 3 thread...]

[Originally I wrote:] I got the impression that, as you said, Marchmont never saw the need for ghatti because of the Resonants and their abilities. And perhaps the mind influence/control going on, specifically planting feelings of distrust towards outsiders, included the ghatti? The Ghatti are as aware as humans, and their ability to know the truth might be a disturbing thought for those in power, particularly if they are exerting some sort of mind control over their constituents...

What do you mean about the "ghatti just faded back into the wilderness, never bonding or ‘printing with humans. Certainly, though, I imagine they continued to breed and have offspring. They never died out; they are native to the planet."

Well, I'll also try and write more soon. I haven't even had time to read my book, for the past week! Have to reconcile that this week...

Purrs,
Sasha
and
Zoe

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