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Low income/unemployed people and pets

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Miss- Elizabeth- Bennett

Looking for Mr.- Darcy
 
 
Purred: Sat Apr 23, '11 5:08am PST 
Kaya: A thousand a MONTH!!! That does seem way too much, especially for three cats. The only way I could understand that is if they were lions or tigers, not domestic house cats. The person must have made a mistake in the amount......do not have time to re-read the thread. Going to pick up my aunt and drive to my sister's house and we will all go to lunch for my aunt's b'day. Will come back and re-read the posts.

"Go Orangie Girls"

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Biscuit

will buff floors- for fud
 
 
Purred: Sun Apr 24, '11 8:22am PST 
people are not thinking fairly or rationally enough when suggesting low income people shoudnt have pets.
it isnt that we shoudnt have pets,but that people on low incomes shoud always make sure they have more than enough cash available to hand incase of emergencies.
-there are people on low incomes who get pet after pet after pet, and they are completely irresponsible,giving us all a bad name,but there is also the completely legitimate side of pet owning with owners who make sure to be responsible.

there are many people who go on the yahoo answers site for example, saying they have got a pet with x accute injury or y accute illness, but cant afford to take them to the vet-so want to know what their options are,am amazed at these guys who take on pets with so little income with nothing saved to pay for possible vets fees,its sickening to be honest,because not getting treatment through cost woud be seen as neglect and suffering in humans.

am one of those folks stereotyped under the low income bracket,am severely disabled and in residential care and as a result of being in care the UK government disallows most benefits,only recieving DLA [high rate mobility] and the lowest basic level of income support.
despite that,can afford a cat,lottie on our petting farm who gets the best treatment,food,love,care etc,woud not allow self to even think of getting a pet if was not able to afford them; emergency and future wise, unfortunately a lot of people think selfishly and only about what they want at that moment,not of the pets long term needs and what may happen suddenly or in the future [ie,diabetes].
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~Purrcy ~- Meohmy

I AM- MARSHMELLOW CAT!
 
 
Purred: Sun Apr 24, '11 11:12am PST 
Purrcy's Mumma here~
Biscuit I agree with you - you DO have to think about long term needs!
That is not to say that "low income" folks should be deprived of the right to have pets, though. I think if a person can reasonably manage the care of their pets, then by all means.
Unfortunately, unforeseen things happen.
Two years ago I never imagined that Purrcy would become so sick. He has required intensive medical care since that time.
Over the past 2 years I have spent around $18,000 on his care alone.This includes his surgery with ICU treatment. ($8,000), liver biopsy ($3000), and 3 or so ultrsounds at around $500 a whack. Tube feeding expenses for several months on top of all that. Multiple ICU admissions for treatment of ascending bacterial infections (around $1800 each admission).
Each month I spend around $200 for his meds alone. He requires a visit with an internal specialist about every 6 weeks (cost around $ 250 per visit including labs).
Feeding expenses for him and my three other beauties are around $150/month. Figure in annual vet visits (lord help me if any one else gets sick), routine maintenance ie: flea and tick treatment, treats, toys. GAS to drive between home and vets, etc...yeah I spend close to $1000/month on cats.shock
I don't stop to think what i am spending usually, I just do what i have to do to keep each one of the cats who share my life as healthy and as happy as I can. I am grateful that I can.
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kaya skye

not fighting my- demons-we joined- forces
 
 
Purred: Mon Apr 25, '11 8:01pm PST 
a cat with a serious medical condition sort of makes things different, Purrcy's mom. this is exactly why i'm looking into pet insurance. but do you honestly believe that it costs over $1000 a month, every month under normal circumstances to support three cats? it doesn't cost me that much to support MYSELF...and too bad if it did, because i don't have it.
like i said, my cats get fed grain-free dry and grain-free canned, get their revolution, litter, toys, nip...and in a month without a vet visit, this honest to Bast costs us between $100-$150. maybe necessity is the mother of frugality here...but they're getting good food, they see the vet when they need to (and annuals) and our house looks like a pet store exploded. and i could make it work on less money than this, if i had to. with more cats. trust me. i'm sly.

i'm not trying to argue, here. i'm just saying that maybe it takes direct experience. maybe you have to have been there, have to have actually made it work yourself to see that yep, it can actually work. opinions?
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Smokie Boo- Dreamboat- #104b

Rescued cats- like me are the- best!
 
 
Purred: Thu Apr 28, '11 1:49pm PST 
Mommy and Daddy said they never thought they'd be hit with the vet bills they have been, either. Mommy and Daddy both have jobs, but Natalie's treatments are $500.00 each, and Bella is a senior kitty with health issues. I myself still have to have a long visit with our vet because I need to have teeth done and the side of my face repaired.

Mommy and Daddy have paid out for our vet bills alone this year $5000+. If they did not have jobs, they couldn't do it. I can tell you that they did not think that it would be this way. But it is what it is, and they love us and take care of us. They did nt plan on having 5 of us. We were taken because there wasn't much of a choice for us...and we love our pawrents.

That said, Mommy says to all 'be cautious! 'Things' can pop up that you might not expect. But mommy and daddy still wouldn't change a thing...

we are family.
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Memphis

World Domination- Is Easier With- Thumbs
 
 
Purred: Sat Apr 30, '11 2:36pm PST 
I found Memphis while I was partially employed and receiving unemployment from my old job. This continued for another 6 months, but we both made it. And with the new job came Tenny.

I don't think being low income necessarily bars you from pet ownership -- low income is relative. If you got enough for the basics for both you and the fuzzy, woohoo. Being unemployed is tougher and much murkier area for me -- never been unemployed, always made money somehow.

I think what makes the difference is that you need to be able to take care of your cat while not completely cheating yourself. You can't spend your entire unemployment check on the cat and let yourself eat Ramen for a month -- that's not fair to your health, and if you get sick, who's taking care of the fuzzy? If you cannot feed yourself or afford the basics for your own life, maybe it's not best for you to take on the needs of a cat. By the basics, I mean food, electricity, roof over head, and water. I'm a Spartan by nature, and my only entertainment was books and cats for a long time. And I was fine with that. If you can't meet the most basic bills, then no, don't get a cat.

Me personally, I went without TV or videogames for the time I was unemployed. I spent the "fun money" on the cat. It's all about priorities. Cat comes before toys, but after the basics of rent, power, food, and water. Otherwise, where are you going to feed the cat?
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Tambolina

No...the magic- is still- here...!!!
 
 
Purred: Fri May 6, '11 8:14am PST 
Hallo....Hi....it is Tambolina's Meouwmy (Jan) here......

I have been very interested in everyone's posts on this thread.....

Two aspects particularly interested me....

(1) How, it seems to me, ALL low income/unemployed people are stereotyped as 'thick', 'ignorant', 'irresponsible'(also 'fraudulent').....especially here in England, with the way the Government are trying to take as many people off of benefits as possible.....thus it would seem that all these 'thick'(also seen as generally 'obese') people would have no right to keep animals......I cannot continue this line of thought because it makes me SO ANGRY....but you will understand what I am saying and where I want to go with this....

(2) How everyone who has written on this thread seems to be prepared to go without, themselves, in order to ensure that their animals get all that they need.....as some people have said, they may not be able to afford expensive food or specialist care for their animals, but their animals are fed, given vet care and LOVED......

This thread does feed into another thread on the forums about animal insurance......which I am going to write on......my cats are all insured....it costs me about £8 a week for the whole lot of them (£35 a month) (one less packet of tobacco for me and Brian a week....We can live with that)......

We are old aged pensioners and money is getting really tight here in England for everyone.....and now I have a broken leg that is not healing well and I cannot yet go back to work (I am only paid at work for what I do)...my main worry is the cats.....but I WILL NOT FREAK OUT......Either I will get better and be able to go back to work at Frocester...or I will have to get a job in a factory where I can sit down......

Jimmy Riddle came to us in December last year (he was a stray and we had to save him from the terrible, harsh weather)....we had turned our faces against having another cat after the Grandad died (we still had the three), because we felt we were too poor, but the Jimmy came to us and we had no option but to take him.....we believe that the Grandad Conrad sent him to us......

SO....I am NOT frightened.....the Grandad would not have sent him to us if we were going to have to give our cats away.....something good will happen.....either I will get better and be able to go back to work at Frocester (and be able to work LOTS)or I will get a job in a factory....I am 63 years old, but I am STRONG still and am ready to work and work...or perhaps Brian's (my husband) project will come to fruition......

'Low income/unemployed/retired' SUCKS......!!! But there is always HOPE and LOVE......I will now go downstairs and call my kitties in....and we will have a WONDERFUL evening.....with me on my couch, Brian on his and the kitties spaced around the room and on the chairs (with Jimmy sitting on my stomach, making biscuits on my boobs, dribbling and loving me......!!!

People and Pussycats.....have a look at the thread on cat insurance....it is interesting and (some pros...some cons) probably worthwhile.....

Much love

Jan (and furry family)
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Patch

Patch - wallpaper- stripper
 
 
Purred: Fri May 6, '11 10:13am PST 
Hello Jan

I too am a pensioner in UK, I retired last may and am 65, it is a struggle here you are right. But my cats come first. I have them insured with Saga, the 4 younger ones, it costs less than £20 a month, food and litter comes to around £15-£16 a week.
I gave up Patch and Ginge to a fiend but they have come back to me and you know what?? I am so glad because I missed them both so much.

Mary and mogs.
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Patch

Patch - wallpaper- stripper
 
 
Purred: Fri May 6, '11 10:49am PST 
That should read 'a friend' not a fiend OMC!!laugh out loudlaugh out loudlaugh out loudlaugh out loudbig laugh
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Lily

I am the queen- of stubborn!
 
 
Purred: Sat May 7, '11 6:46pm PST 
I've been reading this thread for awhile and decided throw in my two cents tonight. To me, it just comes down to knowing what you can afford and being realistic about it - no matter what your income is.

I am somewhere in the moderate income area, and I know that with my five cats, I'm at my limit in terms of space and finances. For me to take another in, some things would have to change. It isn't that I couldn't afford the food or litter for another one or two. It's me wanting to be absolutely sure I can afford regular vet care and especially emergency care if someone gets sick. Had to have an emergency visit for one of mine last weekend for a bad vaccine reaction - wiped me out til payday, but I'm glad I was able to get her the care she needed.

I work for a small humane society. We have a "good samaritan" program where we will help people within our service area with veterinary bills. Usually it's for emergencies, but it can sometimes be for regular care or even euthanasia. I love that we have this program, but there are a few people who frustrate me - they continually take in new animals when they have no income or very limited income. We've had instances where people have let the condition go for so long because they could not afford the vet that the animal has suffered greatly and cost for treatment is now sky high.

I think most everyone can plan for vet care and emergency care - setting aside a few dollars here and there so that you can at least pay something up front when you walk in the door. Or, establish a relationship with a veterinarian by just doing regular care and paying right away and they are more likely to let you pay in installments in the case of emergency or if your pet needs tests or expensive treatments. If you walk in and they don't know you from adam, they're less likely to take a chance that you will pay later on.

I know this from experience because my income level has fluctuated over the years, and I have had to do installments, but I had a very good relationship with my vet and that's why they allowed me to do it.

So all of this means that I don't think being low-income means you are a bad pet owner or that you cannot provide what your pet needs. Quite the opposite, in fact. Again, I just think that no matter what your income level is, you have to be prepared for the broken leg, the accidental ingestion of something toxic, a pet having an underlying condition that you weren't aware of, etc.

Nobody expects the cute little puppy they found in the road to test positive for parvo or to have mange - but it can and does happen, and it's something we all have to think about. For me, that's the real issue.

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