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If you are wondering what is the right cat for you, this is the place to be. In this introductory forum we talk about topics such as breed vs. mix, size, age, grooming, breeders, shelters, rescues as well as requirements for exercise, space and care. No question is too silly here. This particular forum is for getting and giving helpful, nice advice. It is definitely not a forum for criticizing someone else's opinion, knowledge or advice. This forum is all about purring and learning.

  
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Lola

Proud mother of- the Fab Four!
 
 
Purred: Sat Feb 14, '09 8:58am PST 
I agree with other posters--a Persian seems to be what you're looking for. Himalayans and Birmans also have their fans, but Persians are, from my observations at cat shows, smallish and laid-back cats. As for the Chinchilla thing--for some weird reason, it seems that Persians aren't just lined up by color at cat shows the way Maine Coons are, but the different colors are considered different breeds. So, a Chinchilla is just a Persian with a certain kind of coloration. Probably the reason that Persians are categorized differently from any other breed is that Persians, like it or not, are still the main focus of the cat fancy world. Also, they come in so many colors--Maine Coons do too--unlike some other breeds like Russian Blues (Russian Whites, anyone?).

It's said that long haired cats tend to be more laid-back than short hairs. Certainly if you go to a cat show and watch the different rings, the Persians are all basically fluffy cushions, and the Abyssinians and Orientals are all screaming their various opinions at the judges.

Persians have been around for ages, and certainly are not hard to come by. I definitely agree with the poster who warned you not to buy from a pet shop. A good breeder will provide you with a much better cat than a pet shop will, AND at a lower price, and you will have the added advantage of having a relationship with the breeder that lasts at least as long as the cat's lifetime--a real advantage when you need help or advice.

Of course, I know that you haven't decided yet that you want a Persian. I'm just sort of using them as an example. But if you DO choose a Persian, be aware that there are smushy faced show Persians, and the so-called "doll face Persians" who have less exaggerated facial features. Smushy faced show Persians tend to have problems with their tear ducts and noses, and some are so smushy faced that they are unable to eat from a plate. Really. So I'd go for a doll face Persian myself.

You want a long hair cat, but short hair Persians, called Exotics, come in lots of colors, have the same kind of personality as Persians, and are easier to take care of, since they have short fur. I'm not really into Persians myself, but I have a cat show friend who produces amazing Persians and Exotics, and sometimes I look at the Exotics and think, gee, I'd like to try one of those...

If you get a long haired cat of any breed, be prepared for grooming tasks. If you have a short haired moggie, you might never need to give him/her a bath, but long haired cats need the occasional bath, first, because they really cannot keep all that fur clean on their own, and second, because a bath helps get rid of loose and dead fur, thus lessening hairball problems. My Maine Coons get bathed regularly, and we have no hairball problems.

On to distinctions such as show quality, breeding quality, and pet quality--I've been to enough cat shows, and had enough conversations with breeders (and am now a breeder myself) to be able to say that it's sort of a scam. I would tend to guarantee that any cat you buy at a pet store is not going to be "show quality," but the distinction between the different ranks of cats sold by breeders can be quite random. For example, my breeder just sells cats; if you want to show the cat you've bought, fine. I bought my Harvey thinking he was "just" pet quality, and right now he's something like number 13 among Maine Coons registered with the CFA internationally. Why? Well, he's not a bad cat. There's no such thing as a perfect cat; he's got a long, long Maine Coon body, gorgeous fur, beautiful eyes...but his profile doesn't have enough of a dip, and his ears are splayed. So, why the high ranking? Because I put him in lots of shows. Almost any cat with a CFA number can become a Champion. Becoming a Grand Champion is something else altogether, but becoming a Champion mostly involves putting your cat into a show with six rings and having the cat declared the number one cat of that classification in the Open Class. This can usually be accomplished in one or two shows, even if you have a mediocre cat.

Okay...I'm sure you're not interested in showing cats, but I just wanted to make it clear that this whole show class and pet class distinction is largely artificial. Now, there ARE cats who actually can't be shown--a kink in the tail, for example, will disqualify a cat. But otherwise...it's largely up to how much energy and money the owner wants to put into showing the cat. So, if you buy from a breeder, be a bit leery of these random show/pet quality classifications.

Having said all that...We still haven't determined that you want a Persian, or that you necessarily want a purebred cat at all. If you DO want a Persian, or a Himalayan, or a Birman--in the U.S., there are rescue groups for purebred cats, and assuming that you don't want to show your cat, that's a good way to go.

Also...If you're not really stuck on breed, then going to a shelter or rescue center and looking over the cats there might be the best thing after all. Persians have been around for so long that you can most definitely find a Persian or Persian mix at a shelter. Or just a domestic long hair. A reliable breeder will try to match you with a cat that meets your wants, but shelter people know their cats well, too, and will do the same thing.

As for the guinea pigs...sorry, can't help you there. I used to have two cats who were AFRAID of my pet rat (long story) and even the goldfish.

Sorry for the long post...As a novice breeder, breeds and breeding are my major interest right now, and I just go on and on. But--don't forget--ALL cats are lovely, so take your time to find the right one, but don't be surprised if your new kitty chooses YOU rather than the other way around!
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♥- Terra- ♥

Purrs all- around! Le- Meow?
 
 
Purred: Sun Feb 15, '09 8:19pm PST 
Just thinking, if it's a cat that acts like a dog you are looking for, then Siamese might be the best choice. That's the comment I get most from visitors. "Are they cats? They act like dogs!" My three follow me everywhere, play fetch, and are in your face from the time you wake up until you go to bed. Just a thought..although they are pretty demanding so if you already have four, adding a Siamese might be too much, but if you are serious, go through Siamese Rescue where they will match you with a Siamese that';; fit into your family best.
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Noble

Everyone loves- an orange tabby.
 
 
Purred: Sun Mar 29, '09 1:47pm PST 
Thanks you two!

Sorry it took so long for me to get back to you. I haven't logged into Catster for a while. (the dogs hog the computer) Anyway, I think I might look into a persian or a siamese. If I do get a cat. I'm not interested in showing cats. I've been to a cat show. Not my cup of tea. I'm more into the dog show scene. I think I'll just check shelters. Who knows? Maybe I'll find a persian or siamese mix that I fall head over hills for!

It was nice having so much advice. Thanks again.
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Stormy- 2000-2009

Tall, Dark, and- Handsome.
 
 
Purred: Tue Apr 7, '09 9:41pm PST 
Only reason why I wouldn't say Persian is because of their coat, takes daily brushing and some people even like to have them shaved. In fact I ran into five Himalayas ,which are pretty much Persians with seals, one can argue the coat is tad difference though mostly just a color pattern, that I had to shave down they were all matted to the skin and to be honest looked miserable. So strange thing is curious cat can also be a frisky cat too. Most cats learn to get along. Some adult cats already know how to co-exist, so I wouldn't rule out adults. This being kitten season there will be tons of young ones and some that barely made it out of kitten-hood before bearing some of their own. So I would say if you really think a cat is what you looking for, which perks are they are pretty easy to house train, and they don't really need your attention, but enjoy it. So I'd say if you can figure out a way to feed and allow the cat to potty without the dogs eating its feces then that will cover the basics. My cat at first didn't like the new puppy, after our old one passed away we waited almost a year before running across a poodle dachshund mix that needed to be re-homed. She pretty spunky, she tried to buddy with Stormy but it took time. Now Stormy will allow her to lay next to him, so he can lick her.
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Lola

Proud mother of- the Fab Four!
 
 
Purred: Sun Apr 19, '09 5:05pm PST 
Actually, I've changed my mind. Most ordinary people (as opposed to breeders/cat show exhibitors) who get Persians/Himalayans don't realize that they are high maintenance cats who need help with keeping their fur clean and mat-free. I wouldn't advise you to get a Persian or Himalayan unless you're willing to put in the time necessary for grooming it.

Maine Coon females are often in the 9-10 pound range, but while they are also long haired, MC fur is silky and doesn't need much maintenance. My MCs follow me around the apartment, but give me space, too. On the other hand, they are not lap cats--MCs are known for staying next to you, but not on your lap. There are always exceptions, though.

As for the guinea pigs--I used to have a rat (rescued from a laboratory after its mother had been "sacrificed" in an experiment), and when I got my previous cats, they were terrified by it (they were also terrified by the goldfish, which I bought later on).

My advice would be for you to get an older cat (close to one year or over) at a good shelter. There are many medium and long haired cats up for adoption (although, again, in the case of a long haired cat, if you don't want to do the work to keep Kitty clean, consider a short haired cat). By that age, the cat's personality will be evident (although all my cats seem to have come into their "real" personalities at about age two), and shelter workers should be able to tell you if the cat has the personality you're looking for (being a lap cat, etc.), except, perhaps, regarding whether it will be able to get along with guinea pigs.

I don't think you're going to find a cat who matches ALL of your criteria. Try to narrow them down and figure out what's the most important thing. I would advise you to drop the idea of a "fluffy" cat unless you're willing to work to keep it fluffy. When you get a cat, some adjustment is necessary on both sides. My dream is to have all my cats sleep with me, but only Spike does so on a regular basis. When I'm awake, however, they're always either in the same room, or drop by time to time for a pet or to see what I'm doing. And cats do change as they get older. One of my former cats was rather stand-offish until she reached the age of seven or so, whereupon she started sleeping under the covers with me at night.

Anyway, not all breed cats act the way their breed description says. My Maine Coons are not particularly laid-back, for example. Rather than buying a breed kitten, again, I'd advise you to go for a slightly older cat from a shelter where the workers know the cat's personality. I agree that you should avoid pet stores. A good breeder will also be able to tell you about the personalities of their cats, although the personalities don't get clear-cut until 6 months or so, and can change later.

Finally, it does seem like you're a bit conflicted about the idea of getting a cat. Look around, and if you find the perfect cat, go for it. But there will always be cats out there, so there's no need to rush if you're undecided.
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