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Raw Food Diet > Food Allergies?
Greebo

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Purred: Tue Feb 3, '15 10:00pm PST 
Bleh, it's only day 2 on just turkey and I'm already thinking it's not going to work out. He had cleared up on rabbit and his fur grew back on his ears and his toes. Now on turkey he acts like he has heartburn, he'll be asleep and burp and then make this face with his lips pulled up, then spend the next few minutes swallowing repeatedly. And he's starting to gnaw at his feet again. I suppose it's easier with raw because you're dealing with far fewer ingredients thinking

BK, the part about what the animal ate is a good point. We eat grass-fed beef, but I can't recall what type of beef I've given him. I tend to not keep pushing a food that makes him throw up, I don't like cleaning it up! I'll give that a go once I get him settled on something, he can't just eat rabbit for ever.
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Raw Food Diet > Food Allergies?
Greebo

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Purred: Tue Feb 3, '15 1:48pm PST 
From what I understand, allergies tend to result in symptoms involving their skin/fur and intolerances involve their GI tract. Like people who are allergic to peanuts get hives or go into anaphalactic shock while people who are lactose or gluten intolerant have GI issues. Greebo has indigestion like you're mentioning when he eats pork - constantly burping, his stomach gurgles, and he has TERRIBLE smelling poop. Other proteins like beef, venison, guinea pig, and some others he throws up almost immediately.
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Raw Food Diet > Food Allergies?

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Purred: Mon Feb 2, '15 4:06pm PST 
I don't think it was the Alnutrin because he got better when I fed him exclusively canned rabbit with Alnutrin. It didn't have any organs or added vitamins so I was still mixing the Alnutrin it. That's still an excellent point though, it hadn't occurred to me that the premix itself could be an issue.

I was more wondering when a protein could be considered "safe". If I challenge turkey and he's not itchy after 2 weeks, are we good? Or 6 weeks? I've found a lot of literature about how long to keep him on a different protein but not how long to challenge a suspect one.
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Raw Food Diet > Food Allergies?

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Purred: Mon Feb 2, '15 11:32am PST 
I've been raw feeding Greebo for well over 2 years now. He throws up a lot of proteins (vet says there's nothing actually wrong with him), so he can only really eat poultry, rabbit, and fish. Poultry is obviously the easiest to get, so his diet is mostly chunks of chicken/turkey with chicken liver and Alnutrin. He's been doing fine up until a month or two ago when he started getting itchy. He scratches his ears until they get scabby and they're gooey on the inside and he's been gnawing on his feet and flanks. The meat isn't enhanced, so I fed him canned rabbit for a while to see if the itchies went away. Luckily it did, so now I need to do some food trials...

Since his food was chicken and turkey I'll test each of them separately, but how long will it take before I know it's okay? I'm worried about not giving it long enough, then ordering a bunch of food that will make him miserable. Also, is this allergy likely to be just one protein or to poultry in general? I'd like to not be stuck just feeding him rabbit and fish!
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Raw Food Diet > Need New Ideas!

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Purred: Mon Oct 14, '13 10:03am PST 
I think I might have to switch Greebo back to commercial food frown

He'll eat anything I put in front of him, so it was crazy easy to switch him over to raw. The problem is that he seems to be intolerant to almost everything making it impossible to give him a balanced diet.

On the CAN'T eat list are - beef, pork, lamb, fish, venison, bison, guinea pig, rats, and mice. He violently throws up all of these things, even in minute quantities.

He can eat chicken, turkey, duck, quail, rabbit, and frogs. He gets constipated easily with too much bone, so any commercial raw diet I'd have to add more than 10% meat to making it unbalanced.

I was having a really hard time finding any organs he could eat, so I've been feeding him whole prey chicks and quail, but I know that isn't enough variety. HT has whole ground rabbit, but her chicks & quail are REALLY expensive. She has ground chicken, etc. but it's not complete because it's missing a bunch of organs...I can get chicks & quail from rodentpro, but then I'd have to order 50 lbs of rabbit and 32 lbs of chicks at quail at a time to make the shipping anywhere close to economical :/ I don't have room for 82 lbs of meat for him and ordering in smaller quantities makes it too expensive.

I'm figuring at the least I'll still give him chicken necks or gizzards 1x a week for dental health, but long term I don't really know what to do. I don't want him to get some kind of nutritional imbalance because he doesn't have enough variety! Do you guys have any other ideas?
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Raw Food Diet > Lots of Questions!
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Purred: Wed Jun 19, '13 7:13am PST 
I figured it was better to just keep this old thread going than start a new one :p

The frogs legs are a hit, if anyone was curious about feeding them! I found them at my Asian grocery.

We're still having problems with a second organ though : I have no choice but to order from Hare Today, I've exhausted all of my other local options. I know they have bags of rabbit organs and rabbit heads. I'm super interested in the heads, since he would get brains and eyeballs, but I don't know if he could handle a rabbit head... Maybe if I smash it a little with a hammer first? Hare Today says they weigh between 4 -8 ounces, but I have no concept of how big/thick the bones in a rabbit head are. I would think he would just stop if he can't get through the bones, but I don't want him to hurt his teeth o_o
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Raw Food Diet > Bone percentage

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Purred: Sun Jun 16, '13 6:44am PST 
Here are the percentages I've gathered:

Chicken back 44%
Chicken neck w/skin 36%
Chicken neck 75%
Chicken breast 20%
Chicken wing 46%
Chicken leg 27%
Chicken thigh 21%
Chicken foot 60%
Whole chicken 32%

Turkey back 41%
Turkey neck 42%
Turkey breast 10%
Turkey wing 33%
Turkey leg 17%
Whole turkey 21%

Cornish hen 40%

Whole duck 30%

Rabbit 35%

Frogs legs 15%
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Raw Food Diet > Lots of Questions!

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Purred: Sat May 4, '13 6:46am PST 
Oh, it was beef sweetbreads that we tried. They didn't have kidneys, oddly enough. At dinner, he even threw up the chicken that had been in the same container as the sweetbreads frown

The more I look at these supplements the less I like them, I'm feeling like it ruins most of point of feeding him raw. We don't know ALL the benefits he's getting from real organs. I poked around some more on Hare Today and it looks like if I make a 51 lb order, shipping is only $0.53 per pound, making it not much more expensive for rabbit than I'm paying locally and it would have all the organs. So then I could get chicken and turkey locally and then rabbit, extra rabbit organs, guinea pigs, and maybe quail at HT. I'll just have to wait until I can make enough room in my freezer for all that O_O

Feeding whole prey with the fur/feathers still on freaks me out a little o_o The whole quail/guinea pigs are much cheaper, but I can't see him eating all those feathers and stuff...Wouldn't he get more hairballs?
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Raw Food Diet > Lots of Questions!

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Purred: Fri May 3, '13 6:31am PST 
We seem to have hit out first snag : Greebo can't handle non-poultry/rodent organs. He's had the same violent reaction to them as he did the proteins. The whole duck I bought had some unidentifiable organ in the organs bag that I've been giving him for now, but it won't last very long.

I know just giving him more liver won't work, since it'll be too much vitamin A and not enough other stuff...I've looked at the powder supplements, but those look like overkill to me since I'm feeding a variety of protein and bone and liver. Are there any specific things to supplement in the absence of a second organ? Or could I just give him a kitty multivitamin?

I will definitely keep trying for a second organ, I just don't know where else to look. I know Hare Today has a rabbit organ mix that has kidneys, but even though I live close the shipping is HIGH.
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Raw Food Diet > Lots of Questions!
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Purred: Mon Apr 29, '13 7:39am PST 
Oh, nono, I had no intention of killing the frogs in my yard. MOL! I was just adding frogs legs to my list of possible proteins in the future.

Do any of you have easily bored cats? I never had this problem with him when he got carby food, but when he ate EVO 95% and Merrick B.G. he would shun a flavor I gave him too often. He's doing that now with chicken thighs. I've giving him bone and organs, so his diet is balanced, but really the only meaty meat he's been getting are chicken thighs and he's tired of them. By the middle of last week, he wouldn't eat them at all, so I figured he was ready for some variety and picked up a duck and a rabbit. Both of those were all right when offered instead of the chicken thighs, but then he shunned it when given a whole meal of it. So now he'll eat anything with bones in it and any organ, but is turning his nose up at muscle meat other than heart : We're back to NV for the moment, since he can't just live on chicken necks.

I was thinking I should just give him NV for a couple of days to get him eating again, then start rotating through other stuff so it's not the same thing all the time...Does that sound right? I have some NV Raw Boost, which is this freeze dried raw powdery stuff I can sprinkle on his food to make them more smelly. Also, how long will you guys leave chunks of meat out? I was torn between just leaving it so he could eat it once he figured out I wasn't giving him anything else for that meal or picking it up since it's raw meat that's been on his plate for an hour.

Thanks for all of your help smile I've read tons of websites about raw feeding, but they couldn't possibly cover EVERYTHING.
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