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Nutrition and Science

Discuss ways to improve the quality of your cat's life and longevity through proper nutrition; a place for all of your questions and answers about feeding your kitty!

Please keep discussions fun, friendly, and helpful at all times. Non-informative posts criticizing a particular brand or another poster's choice of food are not allowed in this Forum. References to any brand of food as "junk," "garbage," or other harsh names will be removed.

  
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BK

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Purred: Wed Oct 27, '10 3:22am PST 
More excellent points! Yes Alex, of course you have my permission.
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Shadow

Education is the- Key
 
 
Purred: Mon May 9, '11 4:05pm PST 
Just thought I would bump this thread up, its very educational, and see we can all get along and have a great conversation.way to go
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Maizy

I may meow to- you if you're- worthy
 
 
Purred: Tue May 10, '11 6:38pm PST 
Awesome idea to bump this up Shadow - I missed this one. Very informative. Goes along with how many items used to last alot longer too - quality is not the top priority it once was in many things.
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Buddy Boo

But. .but, it\'s- supposed to be a- Roar!
 
 
Purred: Tue May 10, '11 10:04pm PST 
As usual great thread, thanks Shadow.

I agree, Maizy.
Quantity (and done quickly), rules all.


If I may throw in the question I most often ask about cats and dry food~

What about the teeth? Their shape can't change no matter how long a cat eat it.
What about their saliva not having enzymes to break down what it's incapable of grinding/chewing to begin with? Which of course leads to ...

Required dentals and their frequency, anesthesia required for these procedures...effects of gum disease if gone undetected-untreated...?


Not as concise as Bumprr's paper of course, but if one has some chill-time sometime and *really* likes to read MOL, this Harvard lady dissects it all:
http://leda.law.harvard.edu/leda/data/784/Patrick06.html
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Lucy

Crazy like a- fox...
 
 
Purred: Tue May 10, '11 10:53pm PST 
Buddy: actually, the shape of an animal's teeth can evolve over time. smile

This may have already been said, but didn't have time to do more than skim...

Evolution doesn't only take place over the course of thousands of years -- you can see it in action with fruit flies (a favorite test subject for scientists studying evolution given their short life span) and bacteria.

Some of the factors that influence how quickly it happens are the strength of the environmental pressure and how quickly the organism in question reproduces.

With cats specifically, females begin producing in their first year or life, tend to go into estrus in the spring (so generally one litter a year), and the African Wild Cat (the closest relative of the domestic cat) lives an average of 12-15 years.

One can view individual breeds as a form of evolution -- the environmental pressures to evolve were manmade, and the "natural" selection was in fact human selection, but as far as the development of certain genetic traits and the extinction of others, that's happening right before our eyes as new breeds are created.

That said, changes in digestive tracts and tooth configuration take longer. Commercial catfood feeding wasn't widespread until after WWII, and even after that, there were still quite a few barn cats living off what they caught and interbreeding with more domesticated domestic cats. That's a mere eyeblink in evolutionary time -- I'm not sure that's enough time for major changes to how cats absorb nutrients, process carbs, or anything like that. Allergies, maybe.

But it's also worth noting that evolution isn't really being allowed to happen naturally with domesticated cats -- or at least it's pretty severely constrained, in that many of the cats who are best-positioned to survive to reproduce (those with happy homes, health care, protection from predators, and a steady supply of food) are the ones that we're spaying and neutering.

We are increasingly controlling which cats are allowed to reproduce, and -- since, increasingly, the cats allowed to reproduce are purebreds -- we're choosing which traits are selected for.

In natural selection, the traits that are selected are generally those that give organisms an advantage in surviving to reproduce. They may be traits that allow them to survive on less specialized food sources, that give them advantages in escaping from predators, etc.

We're not selecting for traits that have much to do with survival; we're selecting for coat length and eye color and ear size. There may be cats out there that have mutations that allow them to better process carbohydrates, or give them partial immunity to toxins, but those mutations are undetectable to us, and not likely to be linked to the sort of traits that we do select for, so whether any of the cats who have them are being allowed to reproduce (i.e. whether they're happening among purebreds or the other group most likely to reproduce -- ferals) is anyone's guess.

This isn't an argument against spaying and neutering, incidentally. But the fact that we're in essence creating our own evolutionary pressures to replace natural ones, and selecting for traits that don't have anything to do with nutrition, means that it's that much more imperative to feed cats a diet that corresponds to what we know about where their nature left their digestive systems before we took over their evolution. smile
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Shadow

Education is the- Key
 
 
Purred: Fri May 13, '11 9:26am PST 
Great info Lucy!!!way to go
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Shadow

Education is the- Key
 
 
Purred: Mon Jun 13, '11 2:26pm PST 
Found this video on the Evolution (Foundation of the Feline)
Thought it was interesting.
click here
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♥- Tasha- ♥

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Purred: Mon Jun 13, '11 5:37pm PST 
Great video Shadow! way to go
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