January 25th 2013 1:29 pm
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Have you read this?
link to the Gareth Morgan cat ban article
It's the latest thing everyone’s talking about in New Zealand.
Funny where ever you go someone seems to bring up the conversation.
Here in New Zealand most cats are indoor outdoor and I know many here on Catster think cats should be locked up. BUT ... I disagree because cats are part of the eco system too, with them keeping down rats, etc. (that will pry on bird’s eggs).
Cats love to sleep most of the day and many people bring their cats in at night.
I heard NZ probably has the highest population of cats per house hold in the developed world. You just need to look outside our home to see it, our neighbours all, but one, has a cat. We know the cats names and see them walking around outside.
It's an interesting debate.
I also think the humans should look at themselves and see that they are probably the biggest threat to the planet. Cutting down all the trees, and bush, for houses.
By the way if you say we should just lock the cats up please also remember that New Zealand is listed as one of the safest places in the world too.
top countries for safety
I'm not saying it's at the top as it all depends on who you listen too.
But I think it's lovely to have cats around in and outside they offer so much. To children it is to learn the cats are not wild they are someone’s pet you can't just go and harm them for fun. You should never harm any living thing anyway, but it helps teach kids compassion.
As you know compassion helps keep the crime down. With all the studies they have done with links of crime to animal cruelty.
Cats do help with the Eco system and play a very important role here, I think.
What do you guys think?
Oh I forgot to mention for those that don't know New Zealand. We are group of 3 main islands (North, South Island and Stewart Island) we are situated just east of Australia (an no (lol) we are not part of Australia)and we are north of Antarctica.
We have no large predators here. No Bears, Coyotes, foxes, snakes, large birds of prey, large cats (except in the Zoos) It’s pretty safe here for them.
Please play nice as I'm monitoring along with Sam and Raza but as you know we only have paws and any comments we make are unlikely to be readable i.e. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmjgfyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
The human has to go to work so we won't be able to comment for a little while unless the human can get the ipad to work at work. I think this is a fun debate.
Mr.D, I understand completely where your coming from. Same applies over here in England. In regards to WILD animals not been seen roaming around freely apart from in Zoos. Although we do get FOXES here from time to time. Other than that it's pretty safe for your Cat to troll around day or night. I spend the SUMMER months outdoors. Forever chasing mice, bees, flies, insects ect..
My advice and you can take or leave it. Stand up for what is right...! I mean, the world we live in is;- 'survival of the fittest'. If you don't take your chances in this life. How is anyone ever going to learn...??? Nicely said and good for NZ holding down a very good argument. For, for and against...! Do your country proud, Mr. D....!!! :)
I don't know what our safety ranking is but Canada is dark blue on that map just like NZ :)
We think that each pet owner should do what they believe is best. If you feel your kitty is safe outdoors then go for it. There's nothing to debate. We'd only frown if kitty wasn't fixed or didn't have its necessary vaccinations.
We live in an urban area but we do have raccoons, coyotes, snakes, foxes and birds of prey around. There are also bats that sometimes carry rabies. And cars and nasty kids too. Sooooo... we stay inside at all times. Mother says she winces when she sees a cat sitting on the sidewalk beside a busy road. She says we stay indoors 'cause she wants pets not roadkill. Mother can be blunt at times :)
We think that Mr.Gareth Morgan is either a nut job or a publicity hound. Whatever, he'll never get his wish. Hissssss!!!
Mom is very protective and she makes us stay inside or in the outdoor enclosure but her sisters and her mom let their kitties go in or out whatever they want and her mom even lives near a highway and it is just to scary for our mom. Mom really wishes she could feel safe enough to let us roam the streets and she likes the pictures of kitties looking natural in the outside world but it is not going to happen for us.
This story is SO unpopular in the US that it was reprinted in our LOCAL paper, in our tiny little town in the middle of nowhere in PA!!
For centuries, cats have faithfully controlled rodent populations wherever needed, land or sea.
We believe in free-range kitties in rural areas(we call them "barn cats"), but not in urban centers or any populated areas(like our town, which needs an ordinance), so NZ should not even recognize a motion to ban cats. It should be thrown out on "Vagueness"!
We know that there are many areas in the world where there are miles of space, but we can't let ours outside here because we live in the very heart of town. We believe people in the US judge too quickly what people should do in other countries. We can be insensitive and assume that folks from other countries are just like us when they are not.
I vote for COMMON SENSE, and I believe that too many cats in America are being tortured and killed by people - socio- & psycho-paths. I wonder if the number is even higher than for car-hits. We need better cruelty laws!!
btw, the statistics show that for cats in the US mainland, their average lifespan is decreased by half if they even step outside regularly. Cats that are on leash are at the high end of the averages, but these owners are responsible, which means the cats are better cared in general for up to and including "normal" average life spans.
Thanks for listening to me "rant". It's my opinion and suggestion only, but I am open to hear any other views. Good discussion. All cat lovers should have a right to be heard!
Luv 4eva, Tink
Da whole idea of a cat ban are pretty crazy! I used to be indoor-outdoor, but am now indoor only. We have coyotes in my area and lots of cars and my family has had other cats that died because of being outdoors - one was hit by a car and one was either bit by a snake or stung by a bee (he was allergic). But I think it is up to every pet owner to do what they feel is best for their animals. What's best for my family is indoor only, but I don't think I know what's best for everyone.
Thank everyone for your comments it's been great to hear them all. I thought it was funny that this has made papers around the world. So funny, probably because it's so crazy. MOL
Mind you, some people reckon we are weird down here because we have strict gun laws (not to say we won't have any crazy gun man because it's sure to happen one day). But even our police do not carry weapons on them (YET). We are also nuclear free. Even the US war ships can't come into our waters because of our anti nuclear policies.
But things are changing and one day we will need to conform.
But one thing I do not see us changing is living with cats.
They are just as important to society as life itself. What is life with our furry friends. Yes we will fight this, you are right Chloe we need to stand up for what is right!!! Cats should live and are necessary for numerous reasons.
MOL This is a funny debate, it’s really lucky it'll never happen. MOL
Pansy I think Canada rated very well in the safety stakes too, I think they came out in the top ten in a few articles. One thing I think we are lucky about is we don’t' have rabies either. But I sure can understand keeping a kitty inside when you live near a busy road, I would too.
Tiny Mighty Moe Moe we understand you all have fantastic pawents who look after you all so well. I can only imagine how awful it is to lose a kitty to the road or a wild animal. The humans here try to live in homes that have long drive ways so hopefully we stay safe for that reason.
Tink the Cat I'm still chuckling that it made your local newspaper in a small town. Everyone must be laughing at us now. MOL But you are right about everywhere needing better cruelty rules we need better ones here too. I agree they need tougher penalties and easier access for reporting them. Not to mention having them looked into.
Yikes!! Jezebel you have snakes they sound scary. I'm so sorry to hear what happened to your previous furry friends. I admit bees are a problem and when the fur gang where kittens the human would cringe when we chased them.
I better run now it's getting late here.
Purrs For now purrs Mr D
I agree with your points Mr. D. and Happy Belated Birthday!
oh, am i late? i read the article and looked up that mr. morgan... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, is he about to sell a book on what he calls "philanthropy"? i know such funny campaigns only as marketing?! i put a "entertainment" label on such ideas for i cannot imagine that anyone would dare to seriously plan the ban of cats. not at last because of the ecological balance you mentioned, mr.d. that was like informing germans they need to live without cars (which indeed kill)... just funny.